There were a whole bunch of people around the table. I was thinking earlier today, before we got on about the first time that I met you, and I believe it was actually at a meeting at the White House during the Obama administration and we were in a room at this big table. I am so glad that we are having this conversation. We'd also appreciate if you take a moment to rate and review the podcast. Write us at Or reach us through social media.
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My hope is you will take away the practical nuggets of wisdom she offered about how to create the change we want, while managing change that is unwelcome. How can we navigate life's unexpected curveballs? How can we create change that we want and actually achieve our goals? How does our identity fit into all of this? What I love about this conversation is how Maya shares deeply, deeply moving stories about how she navigated unexpected change that showed up in her life to become the person she is today. After the last few years of intense upheaval, and as we kick off a new year, I wanted to talk with Maya about the nature of change. She was previously a senior advisor in the White House under President Obama, where she founded and served as chair of the White House Behavioral Science Team, which worked to create better policy using insights from behavioral science. Maya is a senior director of behavioral economics at Google. She blends compassionate storytelling with the science of human behavior to help us understand who we are and who we become in the face of big change. Maya Shankar is a cognitive scientist who hosts the podcast A Slight Change of Plans, which was selected as Apple Podcasts’ best show of the year in 2021. How we navigate, respond to and cope with change is a subject that fascinates my guest today. Sometimes change is planned, invited and exciting. And today, we'll be talking about how we cope with change, whether it's invited or not. I'd like to introduce you to Maya Shankar, a podcast host and expert on change. I'm Vivek Murthy and I have the honor of serving as U.S. Email us at with your feedback and ideas. Help us get the word out about House Calls by rating and reviewing wherever you get your podcasts. And if you’re thinking about making a change, tune into this episode for strategies about how to plan and stick to it.
As we kick off a new year, Maya and the Surgeon General talk about the nature of change and how to handle it, with the intention to help all of us navigate life’s curveballs, in whatever form they arrive. But why do some changes feel harder to manage than others? And why does change seem easier for some people than others? Guest Maya Shankar is a cognitive scientist and host of the podcast “A Slight Change of Plans,” where she weaves people’s personal stories of change with the science of human behavior. Sometimes we plan a change, sometimes we’re thrown a curveball.
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